Čija su naša ljudska prava?

"Where, after all, do universal human rights begin? In small places, close to home - so close and so small that they cannot be seen on any maps of the world. Yet they are the world of the individual person; the neighborhood he lives in; the school or college he attends; the factory, farm, or office where he works. Such are the places where every man, woman, and child seeks equal justice, equal opportunity, equal dignity without discrimination. Unless these rights have meaning there, they have little meaning anywhere. Without concerted citizen action to uphold them close to home, we shall look in vain for progress in the larger world

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ovo... samo da vas podsetim KO JE OVU DEKLARACIJU NAPISAO.
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o ..daa..obrati paznju a ovo...On the Draft Convention on Political Rights of Women (1953) Eleanor Roosevelt.Discussing the specific articles of the Convention, Mrs. Roosevelt argues that the objectives of the United Nations are not only to encourage equal political rights for women in all countries, but also to ensure that women fully participate in directing the policy making of their governments.

Eleanor Roosevelt Address to the United Nations General Assembly On the Adoption of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
delivered 9 December 1948 in Paris, France.

[AUTHENTICITY CERTIFIED: Text version below transcribed directly from audio. (2)].


Eleanor Roosevelt regarded the Universal Declaration as her greatest accomplishment.

Mr. President, fellow delegates:

The long and meticulous study and debate of which this Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the product means that it reflects the composite views of the many men and governments who have contributed to its formulation. Not every man nor every government can have what he wants in a document of this kind. There are of course particular provisions in the Declaration before us with which we are not fully satisfied. I have no doubt this is true of other delegations, and it would still be true if we continued our labors over many years. Taken as a whole the Delegation of the United States believes that this is a good document -- even a great document -- and we propose to give it our full support. The position of the United States on the various parts of the Declaration is a matter of record in the Third Committee. I shall not burden the Assembly, and particularly my colleagues of the Third Committee, with a restatement of that position here.

I should like to comment briefly on the amendments proposed by the Soviet delegation. The language of these amendments has been dressed up somewhat, but the substance is the same as the amendments which were offered by the Soviet delegation in committee and rejected after exhaustive discussion. Substantially the same amendments have been previously considered and rejected in the Human Rights Commission. We in the United States admire those who fight for their convictions, and the Soviet delegation has fought for their convictions. But in the older democracies we have learned that sometimes we bow to the will of the majority. In doing that, we do not give up our convictions. We continue sometimes to persuade, and eventually we may be successful. But we know that we have to work together and we have to progress. So, we believe that when we have made a good fight, and the majority is against us, it is perhaps better tactics to try to cooperate.

I feel bound to say that I think perhaps it is somewhat of an imposition on this Assembly to have these amendments offered again here, and I am confident that they will be rejected without debate.

The first two paragraphs of the amendment to article 3 deal with the question of minorities, which committee 3 decided required further study, and has recommended, in a separate resolution, their reference to the Economic and Social Council and the Human Rights Commission. As set out in the Soviet amendment, this provision clearly states "group," and not "individual," rights.

The Soviet amendment to article 20 is obviously a very restrictive statement of the right to freedom of opinion and expression. It sets up standards which would enable any state practically to deny all freedom of opinion and expression without violating the article. It introduces the terms "democratic view," "democratic systems," "democratic state," and "fascism," which we know all too well from debates in this Assembly over the past two years on warmongering and related subjects are liable to the most flagrant abuse and diverse interpretations.

The statement of the Soviet delegate here tonight is a very good case in point on this. The Soviet amendment of article 22 introduces new elements into the article without improving the committed text and again introduces specific reference to "discrimination." As was repeatedly pointed out in committee 3, the question of discrimination is comprehensively covered in article 2 of the Declaration, so that its restatement elsewhere is completely unnecessary and also has the effect of weakening the comprehensive principles stated in article 2. The new article proposed by the Soviet delegation is but a restatement of State obligation, which the Soviet delegation attempted to introduce into practically every article in the Declaration. It would convert the Declaration into a document stating obligations on states, thereby changing completely its character as a statement of principles to serve as a common standard of achievement for the members of the United Nations.

The Soviet proposal for deferring consideration of the Declaration to the 4th session of the Assembly requires no comment. An identical text was rejected in committee 3 by a vote of 6 in favor and 26 against. We are all agreed, I am sure, that the Declaration, which has been worked on with such great effort and devotion, and over such a long period of time, must be approved by this Assembly at this session.

Certain provisions of the Declaration are stated in such broad terms as to be acceptable only because of the provisions in article 30 providing for limitation on the exercise of the rights for the purpose of meeting the requirements of morality, public order, and the general welfare. An example of this is the provision that everyone has the right to equal access to the public service in his country. The basic principle of equality and of nondiscrimination as to public employment is sound, but it cannot be accepted without limitation. My government, for example, would consider that this is unquestionably subject to limitation in the interest of public order and the general welfare. It would not consider that the exclusion from public employment of persons holding subversive political beliefs and not loyal to the basic principles and practices of the constitution and laws of the country would in any way infringe upon this right.

Likewise, my government has made it clear in the course of the development of the Declaration that it does not consider that the economic and social and cultural rights stated in the Declaration imply an obligation on governments to assure the enjoyment of these rights by direct governmental action. This was made quite clear in the Human Rights Commission text of article 23 which served as a so-called "umbrella" article to the articles on economic and social rights. We consider that the principle has not been affected by the fact that this article no longer contains a reference to the articles which follow it. This in no way affects our whole-hearted support for the basic principles of economic, social, and cultural rights set forth in these articles.

In giving our approval to the Declaration today it is of primary importance that we keep clearly in mind the basic character of the document. It is not a treaty; it is not an international agreement. It is not and does not purport to be a statement of law or of legal obligation. It is a Declaration of basic principles of human rights and freedoms, to be stamped with the approval of the General Assembly by formal vote of its members, and to serve as a common standard of achievement for all peoples of all nations.

We stand today at the threshold of a great event both in the life of the United Nations and in the life of mankind. This Universal Declaration of Human Rights may well become the international Magna Carta of all men everywhere. We hope its proclamation by the General Assembly will be an event comparable to the proclamation of the Declaration of the Rights of Man by the French people in 1789, the adoption of the Bill of Rights by the people of the United States, and the adoption of comparable declarations at different times in other countries.

At a time when there are so many issues on which we find it difficult to reach a common basis of agreement, it is a significant fact that 58 states have found such a large measure of agreement in the complex field of human rights. This must be taken as testimony of our common aspiration first voiced in the Charter of the United Nations to lift men everywhere to a higher standard of life and to a greater enjoyment of freedom. Man’s desire for peace lies behind this Declaration. The realization that the flagrant violation of human rights by Nazi and Fascist countries sowed the seeds of the last world war has supplied the impetus for the work which brings us to the moment of achievement here today.

In a recent speech in Canada, Gladstone Murray said:

"The central fact is that man is fundamentally a moral being, that the
light we have is imperfect does not matter so long as we are always
trying to improve it … we are equal in sharing the moral freedom that
distinguishes us as men. Man’s status makes each individual an end in
himself. No man is by nature simply the servant of the state or of
another man … the ideal and fact of freedom -- and not
technology -- are the true distinguishing marks of our civilization."

This Declaration is based upon the spiritual fact that man must have freedom in which to develop his full stature and through common effort to raise the level of human dignity. We have much to do to fully achieve and to assure the rights set forth in this Declaration. But having them put before us with the moral backing of 58 nations will be a great step forward.

As we here bring to fruition our labors on this Declaration of Human Rights, we must at the same time rededicate ourselves to the unfinished task which lies before us. We can now move on with new courage and inspiration to the completion of an international covenant on human rights and of measures for the implementation of human rights.

In conclusion, I feel that I cannot do better than to repeat the call to action by Secretary Marshall in his opening statement to this Assembly:

Let this third regular session of the General Assembly approve by an
overwhelming majority the Declaration of Human Rights as a
standard of conduct for all; and let us, as Members of the United
Nations, conscious of our own short-comings and imperfections, join
our effort in good faith to live up to this high standard.

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http://www.examiner.com/x-1916-Sex--Relationships-Examiner~y2008m12d9-UN-to-consider-global-decriminalization-of-homosexuality-declaration-on-Human-Rights-Day

- одљуцки нас права
светом што читамо
на моменте чешће
побољева глава
па се нешто мислим
боље ибес таки права
него да нам свакодневно
нервирасе лична глава,
вели кими Сава

ајаму узвраћам
-права ма и икаква
боља су нег никаква

Gordana,

Hvala na podsećanju. Moglo bi mnogo da toga se kaže, komentariše, razgovara... Izdvojio bih dve stvari

manje se ubijamo, "manje smo nasilni"

Nekako me nije baš ubedio, a sviđalo bi mi se da je u pravu.

Slažem se.

države, zemlje i narodi koji su "subjekti" globalizacije (global north) i one koji su "objekti" globalizacije (global south)

Ovo je vrlo lepo rečeno. Subjekti smatraju da imaju prava zbog toga što su bolje organizovani i što su vekovima muzli Objekte da im danas prodaju pamet i nameću demokratiju (onu iz Pirota), a ako su neposlušni zatvoriće ih u moderni gulag na ćošku Kube gde još vladaju srednjevekovni zakoni i metodi. Poslednjih nekoliko meseci, ogromna suma novca nakupila se za spašavanje nerealno naduvanih i sada zarušenih finansijskih sistema kojima se omogućava i kontroliše moć Subjekata. Da su taj novac sakupili pre godinu dana, danas niko na ovoj krhkoj planeti ne bi bio gladan. Da su ga sakupili pre pet godina, danas ne bi bilo nepismenih. Da su ga uložili u Objekte pre deset godina, danas bi Objekti sami sebi obezbedjivali dostojan život i ne bi zavisili od Subjekata.

Ljudska prava ne mogu se kontrolisati daljinskim upravljačom, pa da se ovde malo smanje a onde malo pojačaju. Postoji crno ili belo - ili ih poštujemo ili ne.

Ja sam za Uprkos

Naša ljudska prava nemaju nikoga osim nas ljudi, i žena i muškaraca, da zajedno brinemo o tome kolikog i kakvog dobra u našoj svakodnevici može biti od poštovanja i primene ljudskih prava.

Izvinjenje zbog skretanja sa teme.

Da li bi ste mogli da savetujete sta ce da se desi ako zakon o putnim ispravama ne bude izglasan do nove godine?

Puno pozdrava.

Vladimir

Alex Carey:

... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New


Deprimirajuce, zar ne

kojoj su 20-ak zemalja EU priznale secesiju dela teritorije sa neautohtonim žiteljima,
u svakom slučaju nacionalne manjine, i uz to aktivno učestvuju u lobiranju gromada
poput Togoa,Kajmanskih o.,i sl. da učine isto,a pritom nam uvode sve moguće i ne
sankcije (retroaktivno),zbog nekadašnjih vođa(inače,svojih nekadašnjih pajtosa) i
njihovih činjenja i ne ..

msm,stvarno teško za razumeti našu poziciju prilikom glasanja u UN

A,'di su naša prava ?

Ovako je pocelo:

Tako je počelo, neposredno posle II svetskog rata, a nastavilo se u Helsinkiju usvajanjem Završnog akta tadašnjeg KEBS-a (danas OEBS-a, ili OSCE) koji smo i predlagali i glasali za njega. O ženskim pravima, (naravno kasnije) ,kako i koliko, može se pročitati na internet stranici "Globalizacija"

Ovako se sprovodilo:

Šta se za ovih  60 godina dešavalo sa PRIMENOM dokumenata na koja se planeta ljudi obavezala? Koliko je duga lista izbegavanja primene, kršenja, zloupotrebe, politizacije i politikanstva na delu kad se pomenu dokumenta o ljudskim pravima? Ili ženskim, dečijim, manjinskim, religijskim, ....kojim god definisanim ljudskim pravom za čije poštovanje je planeta ljudi klimnula glavom i rekla «da, to je dobro, poštovaćemo i primeniti u svojim državama!».

Ovako ce da zavrsi:

Borba za redistribuciju resursa za budućnost je u toku, a čini mi se da se sve manje govori o ljudskim pravima, o njihovoj važnosti za civilizaciju XXI veka.Terorizam je raširio strah, a uplašeni ljudi ne govore o slobodi i pravima, oni samo žele da se oslobode straha.Njihovo ljudsko pravo je da se njihovim strahom ne manipuliše, da se o primeni ljudskih prava u XXI veku ponovo govori, glasno i jasno.(kao ilustracija, a o globalizaciji, trenutnoj svetskoj finansijskoj krizi i ekonomskoj recesiji kojoj malo ko vidi "kraj" izjave Žozefa Štiglica "Kriza ne mimoilazi Srbiju" )

B. Franklin :
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

Gordnac,
hteo bih samo da dam jedan svoj prilog. Ovo je tekst s jednog bloga na kojem sam pisao dve godine ranije, a istim povodom. Ako mogu da ga prilozim bio bih zahvalan.
Aleksandar
evo ga:

ned - 10.12.2006
...
Danas je međunarodni Dan ljudskih prava. Na ovaj dan 1948. u Ujedinjenim nacijama je izglasana Univerzalna povelja o ljudskim pravima...svi imaju pravo na život itd. Kad razmišljam o ovom danu pitam se zar je moguće da smo morali da izglasavmo ovako onešto. Zar je trebalo da ljudi sami sebi pisu kako ne smeju da ubijaju druge...izgleda da su ljudi životinje sa svescu. Osecam se jadno kada i dan danas moram da objašnjavam zašto je bitno ne ubiti!? Ne mrzeti, poštovati. Danas je to tako teško, a životi naši postali su deveta rupa na svirali i cesto mi se ucini da smo na vetrometini dok koracamo kroz živote. Kad sam bio mali nisam mislio da neko mora da mi kaže da je život svetinja i da se ne sme ubijati.

Gordanac, dugo te nije bilo iz očiglednih razloga, pa se obradovah (i začudih) kad videh nov tekst, no pogled na vreme kad je objavljen, odagna mi čuđenje. Sad se čudim kad stižeš da spavaš
U svakom slučaju, hvala.

Vi, Gordana, danas na Medjunarodni dan ljudskih prava sedite u parlamentu u kome se diskutuje o nacrtu zakona o mrezi sudova, koji ako bude usvojen, gradjanima Srbije ce biti teze da ostvare svoja prava. Ne mogu da razumem ko je dao tako suludu ideju, nacrt, jel politikant Omerovic, da se izvrsi centralizacija sudstva. Tendencija se trebala usmeriti na decentralizaciji, da takoreci i u okviru mesne zajednice svaki gradjanin moze ostvariti svoja prava. Il vam je Nacrtom cilj da sudstvo ima manje predmeta, preciznije da se ljudi manje obracaju sudu za ostvarivanje svojih prava. Zamislite, pretucena zena negde iz okoline Lazarevca, najcesce i bez novca za prevoz, treba da se zaputi u beogradsku Palatu pravde gde ce za njihovo podrucje biti Drugi osnovni sud. Znate li mozda da je Palata tesna i za sadasnja tri suda i tuzilastva koji su tamo stacionirani? Znate li da i u ostalim sudovima nema dovoljno prostora, a vi plnairate da sve strpate u jednu zgradu. Hm, mozda mislite da je dogradite, pa do pocetka primene zakona, s obzirom na nasu brizinu rada, poslovanja, to je apsurdno. Sta cete sa sadasnjim zgradama? O da, u njima ce biti sudije za ne znam sta, pa ce sa predmetima juriti u Osnovne sudove. Pa, moracete im obezbediti prevoz, dodatne troskove. Il mislite da mogu i u gradske autobuse, vozove, metro. Racunajte i na fizicko-psiholoski faktor sudija, da ce vecina morati putovati u te osnovne sudove i razmislite o njihovoj produktivnosti, kada ponekad stignu iznervirani od saobracajnog kolapsa (hm, mogu kasniti) ili smrznuti, pa hajde pravo u sudnicu. Slicno je i sa samim strankama, kako ce se osecati posle puta, hoce li odmahnuti, i oprostiti se od svojih prava. Hoce li na pr. zena, pomisliti da ce joj biti lakse da je muz i dalje ponekad premlati nego da gubi energiju po sudovima, koji su plus toga i te kako, nije prejako ako kazem, neprijateljski raspolozeni prema zenama. Ona se najcesce ispituje kao da je ona u ulozi okrivljenog, ispituje se svaki delic njenog pokreta, svaka rec, uh, kao dokaz. Izmorena moze slucajno promeniti iskaz i biti okrivljena.

Tragikomicno je kako cinite ustupke nekima da slucajno ne ostanete bez kvoruma, pa onda moze ostati i sud na pr. u Backoj Topoli.

Vi svakako mozete uticati, predloziti zakonodavcu (ili u krugu ZESa) da se odustane od promene mreze sudova. Naravno, ako ste zato da su gradjanima na lako dostupan nacin moguca ostvarivanja prava, u suprotonom ovaj Vas blog je licemerje.

Umesto komentara:

deklaracija sa dodatkom

Kad pogledamo da su ljudi usvojili ideju da SVI LJUDI imaju SVOJA LJUDSKA PRAVA tek tokom poslednjih 60 godina svoje ukupne civilizacijske istorije, onda je fina ideja ovog teksta da UPRKOS tome imamo prostora da tu ideju primenjujemo u svojoj svakodnevici, ako imamo volje, naravno.

Uvek kada se proslavlja Dan ljudskih prava idealizmu sklon deo moje ličnosti raduje se što su ljudi na planeti bili kadri da takvu deklaraciju potpišu. Ipak, što sam starija, sve manje poverenja imam u ta svečarska obećanja i velike reči, a sve mi se značajnijim čine mali, svakodnevni iskoraci u poboljšanju položaja nekih ljudi, poput nastojanja da uslovi u porodilištima budu humaniji, da deca ulice imaju svoje svratište, da se lični podaci desetina hiljada ljudi ne nađu na internetu zbog nečijeg nehata, da se spreči nasilje nad pripadnicima manjina, ženama, neheteroseksualnim osobama. Mislim da jedino ako se lično založim da se neki problem reši, i onda kada to naizgled nije u mom neposrednom interesu, mogu, bar malo, da doprinesem da borba za ljudska prava ne ostane mrtvo slovo na hartiji, ili, kako to Gordanac voli da kaže, samo tlapnja.

Predstavnici UN, EK i Ministarstva ljudskih prava Srbije pozvali su na unapređenje položaja Roma, osoba sa invaliditetom, žena, dece i inficiranih HIV-om.

Učesnici manifestacije "60. godina Univerzalne deklaracije o ljudskim pravima - pet koraka u borbi protiv diskriminacije" na Trgu Republike u Beogradu, ukazali su na nezadovoljavajući položaj populacije koja predstavlja najugroženiji sloj stanovništva u Srbiji.


Ceo tekst - B92

Moja.

да је "Упркос" написала Мајка Тереза, али нисам сигуран.

pravom umreti.

Veceras je britanska TV presla rubikon. Emitovana je dokumentarna emisija o Kregu Evertu (iz Cikaga) koji je u Svajcarskoj pred TV kamerama popio barbiturate, uz pomoc svoje zene "zalio ih" sokom od jabuke i zubima iskljucio masine i jednostavno umro.
Sve snimljeno-sve emitovano. Jedan na jedan.Reality TV. Vrhunac ili dno-zavisi kako ko gleda.
Evertu je 2006 dijagnosticirano neumitno izumiranje nerava. Otisao je u Svajcarsku gde je eutanazija dozvoljena uz odredjene uslove
Ogromna je polemika u Velikoj Britaniji.

J

PS:Gordanac ako mislis da je trol,slobodno brisi,ja sam mnogo toleratniji od onih u Skupstini te se necu zaliti na povredu blogovskog poslovnika

Odgovor: Natase Jovanovic, Gordane Pop-Lazic, Vjerice Radete i Gordane Comic.

Ili zene u Srbiji nisu ljudi?
Ovo najozbiljnije pitam jer ne mogu da verujem da u anno domini 2008, zene u Srbiji JEDINE u Evropi nemaju svoja osnovna ljudska prava zasticena rodnim zakonom o jednakosti=Gender Equality Law.

Mislim da ovaj podatak govori koliko Srbija ustvari zaista ne pripada Evropi osim sto se sasvim slucajno tu nalazi geografski.

Apelujem na autorku bloga, posto sam upravo saznala da ucestvuje u radu parlamenta, da (ukoliko vec nije?) ovu sramotu spomene i bar pokusa da promeni kroz svoje delovanje u istom.

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"Nek se ne uzda jedan narod nikad doveka k prosvešteniju razuma doći u kojemu žene prostoti i varvarstvu ostaju."

"Vostani Serbije!
Davno si zaspala."

Dositej Obradovic, 1739-1811

Gordana, hvala na podsjećanju! Na moju veliku radost, jučer je obilježavanje Dana ljudskih prava ovdje bila prvoklasna politička vijest.


SLIKA: vidi dolje. MNOGO HVALA Ivani Majstorici!