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Chris Farmer RSS / 16.02.2016. u 12:32

Time is a funny thing.

We usually think we don't have enough of it, as if it would suddenly run out. And sometimes time seems to stand still. We set ourselves appointments in time, deadlines in time, and sometimes allow ourselves a timeout.

The whole world has agreed to this arbitrary standard, as a means of segmenting our finite human sojourn on this planet. We have divided it up into a certain amount of months, weeks, days, and hours and we agree to allow it to reign supreme over all our activities. Time is a cruel master - it never bends to our needs and we are forever chasing after it.

But then you arrive in the Balkans.

Having lived in southern Europe for a long time, I learned a long time ago that time gets fuzzy down here. In France, le quart d'heure d'honneur allows people to be up to 15 minutes late for any appointment. In Italy, it used to be common for people to set a time to meet and use it as a reminder to start getting ready at that time. So an hour or two, one way or the other, was acceptable.

In Belgrade, however, the rules have slipped beyond fuzzy into an area of science studied by Heisenberg and Einstein. People can be late for appointments - or not. It is not predictable. Many times I have been called for a cancellation of an appointment 10 minutes beforehand.

And if it starts raining, everything gets called off anyway. No need to give notice.

I have already noted elsewhere the existence of a mythical extra hour in each day, invented by a cevapi stand near me that was open from 0-25h every day. I also talked about the lack of a standard national time, allowing us to celebrate New Year's from 23:55 to 0:05, with each intervening minute being "midnight."

But there is another phenomenon that deserves attention. It is how we think of time here. My personal research and experience here has shown me a few different points that I would share with you.

2 Minutes

If someone tells you they will "be there in two minutes," you should not expect them to show up for at least seven to 12 minutes. Two minutes, in this sense, never indicated 120 seconds, but "a relatively short amount of time."

NOTE: If you order a taxi, they ALWAYS say they will be there in two minutes. This means that they heard you and are sending someone. In a random amount of minutes.

In the same way, if the person says he or she will be there in 10 minutes, the meaning is usually: "I am still on my way and will arrive late." 10 minutes can extend to a half an hour or more, depending on traffic, the weather, or the guy you run into on the street and takes you for a coffee.

Half an hour, interestingly, can actually mean 30 minutes. It does not always happen, but it seems that we are better able in Belgrade to estimate longer amounts of time. However, half an hour can also extend much further, leading to the phone call after 28 minutes postponing until next Tuesday.

Finally, another time-anomaly crops up when you order something for delivery. No delivery company likes to be pinned down by a specific time - if you order something, you will always get a "window" of time. From 8 am to 1 pm, for example. Or from 1 pm to 8 pm. This means that it probably would have been easier to get yourself out of your pajamas and go get it yourself. In the meantime, you sit at imageshome, waiting... any minute now... unable to plan much else in the day.

At one point, when we ordered a new mattress from one company here (no names, but it rhymes with Wimpo). It was the end of December, and they said they would deliver "after Christmas". That basically describes an infinite span of days beginning from January 8th until the end of recorded time. Trying to get them to be more specific, they only repeated themselves: after Christmas.

That was in 2012. We are still waiting.

 

 

 

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angie01 angie01 13:25 16.02.2016

Sve ste u pravu,


no, to su sve stvari vezane za organizovanost drzave, zakona i pravila i lokalnih navika i obicaja,...sto se tice poslovnog dela, u kome se zaposlenici ponasaju komotno i cesto na racun klijenata u svim varjacijama tog znacenja- nije sve bas toliko drugacije u odnosu na privid u uredjenim zemljama, gde su mane samo bolje pokrivene, sto je posledica samo izbrusenosti marketinga- citaj, nacina podvaljivanja.

a u nekom generalnom smislu, na zapadu ljudi funkcionisu po principu the hamster in the wheel, a na Balkanu, vise po meri coveka, sto bi moglo da se dovede u neki optimalan red, sto se poslovnog dela tice, nekim pravilima i obezbediti njihovo funkcionisanje,...u krajnjoj liniji, ljudi sa Balkana, gde god da su otisli, dobro su se uklapali u pravila i pokazali su se kao dobri radnici i strucnjaci....ovde je taj opusteni odnos prema vremenu, na neki nacin i "naokanda" za sve ostale manjkavosti u mogucnostima, koje su opet benefiti samo stranckih kadrova, koji opet zbog svoje bahatosti imaju utisak da im je sve dozvoljeno, pa i nepostovanje dogovora-jer je pravilo, da je onako kako oni kazu i zele.

pri tome, mnogi ljudi veoma vredno koriste svoj dan i u ne bas najboljim uslovima, ispunjavaju i vise nego na nekim drugim mestima, gde je striknost osnovni princip.

sve u svemu, uzivajte u tome sto imate vise vremena a bez nekih pritisaka,...When in Rome, do as the Romans do!


ps- za taxiste mogu da imam razne primedbe, al u mom slucaju, uvek dodju u vreme kada mi je receno, cesto i pre.
ps2- za deliveri bilo cega- nikada nikakv problem, jos ljudi unesu, raspakuju, ako treba sastave,...mozda ljubazno pozovete i raspittates se, zamolite, ovde ljudi slabo reaguju na "intonaciju & pristup".
angie01 angie01 17:06 16.02.2016

Re: Sve ste u pravu,

a, ako bi da sitnicarimo,...multitasking nisu izmislile zapadne kapitalisticke korporacije, koje bi da ustede- jer im nikada nije dovoljno bogatstva, tako sto ce im jedan zaposlenik zavrsiti vise poslova u nekoj odredjenoj jedinici vremena i to pod pritskom otkaza,

nego siromasne sredine, kao npr Balkan,...gde je svaka prosecna domacica dovela ovu kategoriju merenja postignutog po jedinici vremena na nedostizan nivo, jer to sto one sve stignu da urade u jednom danu sa zavidnim kvalietom izvedbe, tesko da moze da dostigne bilo koji obuceni associate i to jos sve za dzabe, iz ciste ljubavi i za opstanak porodice,...vecina njih je jos i negde zaposlena za veoma malu platu.
49 41 49 41 14:12 16.02.2016

Lastovo

Nas dvoje davno planirali iz Splita da provedemo 10 dana na Visu.
Brod nikako da stigne satima i satima.
Promenimo odluku, umorni od cekanja; prvi brod bezimo iz uzarenog, prasnjavog Splita.
Zavrsimo na Lastovu, da robinzonujemo golisavi.

Na rajskom ostrvu, sve prekrasno, jeftino, ukusno u restoranima.
Prvih 5 dana te nervira; kako je sve usporeno u odnosu na kontinent.
Cekas da stigne brod sa svezim hlebom, mlekom, vocem. Cekas polako u redu da to kupis.
Cekas da stigne narudzba u restoranu.

Nervira te ta sporost, druga "dimenzija" u vremenu, ponasanju.

Posle 5 dana se uklopis. Usporis sve sa okruzenjem.

Upadnes u totalnu relaksaciju, bude ti krasno.
Suludo nam deluje prethodno nerviranje - neuklapanje.
jednarecfonmoi jednarecfonmoi 14:16 16.02.2016

Time in Serbia



First of all, I think time do not exist:) From my chilhood up to nowdays I still think it is just a convention we made on this planet.

I would better talk than write about your blog, as there is a bunch of diferent angles on this matter.But there is no voice chat here, or voice forum :))))

Time in Serbia.

About taxi----->>> I don't know which taxi company you call regulary, but I really do have a diferent experience.Never waited for more than a minut,max two.

About Serbian people who who are at late---->>> It was much worse before and things are going better, at least with ppl I came in contact with.My mum was always saying when someone is at late: She or he, has a feeling for time like Latinoamericans:)

I lost a lot of nerves long time ago, as I was very precise.12 30 is not 12 38.Had a regular disputes with some friends aboiut it.It stopped,as almost ever1 I am in contacnt with now has no problem with the sence of time.
In Serbia we have an expesion,willtry to translate -Academic 15 minutes (tolerating 15 min of delay)

A friend who was absolutely horrible with a sence of time...I am coming in 30 min.Than she calls after 2 hours and ask if it's ok she to come:) She lives in Germany now, what a change!Whenever she is here, she is punctual as I was all my life.

As for the delivery---->>> Errors do happen in the UK as well...partial delivery( sweater came without a snood) , double charge (happened few times) etc.The only diference is the mistake will be resolved quicly and you speak to someone who is nice, willing to help.But not always! ( it would leads us to a dif story)

Note: If anyone comes around just to correct any gramatical or spelling mistakes I may have made, writing all this txt right how I feel about the time, should that person goes back even bfr tries to gives lectures.I won't go backwards and loose TIME for something like this, as this is just a chit-chat,nothing official.Thank you for your understanding.
muaddib92 muaddib92 15:19 16.02.2016

Re: Time in Serbia

should that person goes back even bfr tries to gives lectures


It's OK honey, we've got spellcheck
jednarecfonmoi jednarecfonmoi 15:37 16.02.2016

Re: Time in Serbia

muaddib92
should that person goes back even bfr tries to gives lectures


It's OK honey, we've got spellcheck



Very good, BRE:)
emsiemsi emsiemsi 19:54 16.02.2016

Re: Time in Serbia

jednarecfonmoi


First of all, I think time do not exist:) From my chilhood up to nowdays I still think it is just a convention we made on this planet.
...

Како то да време не постоји, а ти имаш ____ година !?
jednarecfonmoi jednarecfonmoi 20:04 16.02.2016

Re: Time in Serbia

emsiemsi
jednarecfonmoi


First of all, I think time do not exist:) From my chilhood up to nowdays I still think it is just a convention we made on this planet.
...

Како то да време не постоји, а ти имаш ____ година !?



Nemam BRE, privid je to samo Pp

Evo recimo koliko godina ima Grof od Sen Zermena?:) (omiljeni lik )

Salim se...ali zaista sam to pomislila x puta jos od detinjstva.Ponekad posumnjam kad krene ono menjanje sata, e sad vise nije dva nego je sad tri xD

Tiru ri ru ti ru ri ru

feliks.krul feliks.krul 15:54 16.02.2016

It's called being different

I like it when Americans discover cultural differences, maybe they will stop imposing democracy in Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq...
tasadebeli tasadebeli 20:16 16.02.2016

Re: It's called being different

feliks.krul
I like it when Americans discover cultural differences, maybe they will stop imposing democracy in Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq...




Почели су они овакве ствари да уче још пре неких 60-70 година.







Овај је рецимо подучавао све америчке представнике у иностранству да, колико год цептели од беса, ипак морају да чекају најмање 45 минута од заказаног термина да би их неки, рецимо, египатски државни званичник примио у свој кабинет.

Што виши званичник, то дуже чекање.

Чисто да посетиоцу буде јасно о каквој се ту величини ради.

О томе да са муслиманима ( EDIT: и уопштено Оријенталцима - ЛИНК ) не можеш да се договориш ништа на дуже стазе ("Јер само Алах зна шта ће сутра бити." ) не треба ни да причамо.


Него, хтедох Крису да кажем да су они са тим душецима још и добро прошли.

Нама је наш другар са факултета, Љуба Хаос, рекао да ће нам узвратити телефонски позив да бисмо се договорили где да се нађемо чим закува кафу.

Од тада је прошло 30 година и ми још чекамо да се Љуба ( "Хаос, брате, хаос!" ) јави...

Уосталом, ни ја не схватам зашто је Западњацима, па и нашем домаћину, време толико важно...

Ионако не умемо ни да га дефинишемо, што бисмо се онда толико једили око њега. (ЛИНК)


Зато и не разумем зашто се наш домаћин жали.


Па нису ваљда Хопи Индијанци блесави што у свом језику немају различите глаголске облике за прошлост, садашњост и будућност (све је сада, дешава се у овом тренутку), него им се глаголски облици разликују када говоре о ономе што виде, што им је у видном пољу, или када говоре о ономе што не виде.

Логично, брате. И оно што не видимо, као и оно што видимо, постоји само негде у простору, али не и у времену пошто свако од нас има само своје време и не може поседовати нечије туђе време. И време не може бити општа, заједничка својина, па да га развлачи ко како стигне. Чак ни у комунизму!

Време, ако такво нешто уопште и постоји, за сваког од нас је искључиво наша лична, приватна и неотуђива својина. Заправо, и једина лична, приватна и неотуђива својина коју имамо. И дата нам је слобода да са њим радимо шта год нам је воља. Пунктум.



blogovatelj blogovatelj 21:15 16.02.2016

Samo da primetim

If someone tells you they will "be there in two minutes," you should not expect them to show up for at least seven to 12 minutes. Two minutes, in this sense, never indicated 120 seconds, but "a relatively short amount of time."
NOTE: If you order a taxi, they ALWAYS say they will be there in two minutes. This means that they heard you and are sending someone. In a random amount of minutes.


A vi Ameri kao ovo nemate?
Mikrosoftovih deset sekundi može da potraje i po pola sata.
gavrilo1 gavrilo1 22:04 16.02.2016

vreme je za vreme

Kairom kruzi prastara "misao"
Svi se boje vremena a vreme se boji piramida.
Ima li razlike izmedju dva minuta i dva sata?
Hm,
Zavisi koga cekas.
Postoji nesto dragoceno u cekanju, iscekivanju, tu je skriveno.
Tako da svaki put kada nam neko zakasni trebali bi iskoristiti to.

49 41 49 41 22:32 16.02.2016

Razlicitosti

Moj stariji brat celog zivota

Langsam, langsam; aber siecher. (Polako, polako; ali sigurno)!

Mnogo puta ga pratio na voz. Iako sam ga pozurivao da krenemo ranije, da stignemo na vreme.
Voz otisao, ja se nervirao; iako ne putujem.

Brat, nema veze ima sutra voz.

Majka umela da kaze; da sam po ulici skupljala decu ili dovodila iz razlicitih brakova skupila bih DC3 s licnih.

nim_opet nim_opet 00:36 17.02.2016

Ima cela teorija

o tome kako vreme ne postoji. A British Philosopher McTaggart, and more recently Brian Greene speak about it : [url=http://http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/plus/timeless.cfm][/url]

But...da se vratimo na licni dozivljaj. Uopste mi ne smeta "dva minuta"....ali ono sto mi smeta je nepostojanje osecaja za tudje vreme - ako imamo sastanak u tri, to znaci u tri (ne u tri i 15), jer u cetiri taj neko drugi mozda ima sledeci sastanak. Itd itd itd...

Arhiva

   

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